Xavi would be pretty average should he play for a mid-table club. Messi scored the first PK, which tends to be almost as important as the last one. He was scoring like 4-5 goals in a season before 2008, in his early 20s! Messi is 3 times better than Zidane was?
As far as I'm concerned Zidane vs Riquelme is really a 'LOL' comparison. Therefore it makes sense that the difficulty of a pass completely determines a player's pass completion percentage (Rosenfeld, 2011).
Come on darling, you've to stop acting like a little kid.
For example against the great AC Milan defense (that conceded 15 goals), as noticed by pundits as Liam Brady who noticed many good and productive passes in the matches. Zidane dribbling was UNique. A direct conclusion from the Blinder-Oaxaca decomposition is that a player's skill at choosing what type of pass to make in a given situation is a key determinant of a team's ability to win. Well, perhaps Laudrup's role at Juve had more to do with dribbling, than it had to do with passing.
Before that the best striker he played with was Dugarry, who never scored more than 11 goals per season. I still don't see how the video above in any way proves that Zidane was a better player than Xavi. Agree to disagree then. I'm not so sure about that. Prime Riquelme at 'La Liga' had ~29 in 136 Primera Division matches (can be one less, can be one more). Real Sociedad vs Valencia Score Predictions ? Well, just that even a top 10 club as Juventus. Perhaps. OMG!!! Whos better xavi or zidane?Simply, Zidane.....Who is a better mid-fielder between Paul Scholes and Xavi?XAVI or SCHOLES?If you are really wondering who is the better out of these two, then I say you know your football. @ Amon: Lampard is a CM. Get your answers by asking now. So I think we can be equally certain that Zidane would not be as good in a tiki-taka team as Xavi. Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by lessthanjake, Jun 19, 2015. He never actaully lost a ball because of his controlling ability. ). Xavi is average finisher at his best. He's one of the most skillful player in football history. I unblocked you : ) and looking forward to argue with you : ).
I got that much but I couldn't connect it to the discussion relating to Zidane's throughball ability.
Barcelona is not the best passing team of all-time for nothing I guess, they teach some of it in La Masia you know. Zidane played for a Juventus that competed with no less than 5 other major power houses in the 90s.
While there hasn't been anyone quite like Xavi.
A good player certainly but no comparison to xavi, let alone the great zidane. xavi is better than zidane. Faster and more entertaining than Xavi ever was. He only studied passes on the ground, air, and head passes.
It's not as if Zidane was never used to play like this, simply seeking to keep the ball, trying to find the open gap from behind.
I don't have a clue about Hagi and Valderrama their assist record, but the one of Riquelme is known for ex.
He was playing for team who failed to make WC knock out stages without him. Did you not se Zidane dominate Spain in the World Cup?
Where would you rank Xavi ? It also depends on the quality of opposition.
Just pathetic.
Scored 39 goals (incl. This is based on very fragile evidences. Xavi does not even have an ordinary one. But Zidane would peform in any club. Just my 2 cents.
Zidane, was more of a goal creator rather than scorer yet he was scoring sensational goals. Easy choice, Xavi. Still have questions?
BUT, what we DO know is that, according to OPTA, Xavi created as many chances in the 2010 World Cup as Zidane created in the 1998 World Cup and 2006 World Cup combined.
But when Zidane gets criticized for a perceived lack of passing ability (at one specific type of pass), you readily go back into your comfort zone of "How do you explain that Laudrup wasn't recognized as a passer at Juve??"
On the other hand, Zidane playing first fiddle from a more advanced (attacking oriented) role, and playing for a decidedly more direct team, didn't produced more assists nor more goals than Xavi, added to inferior work rate and more "was sloppily dispossessed there" mistakes when compared to Xavi.
We don't have much chance creation numbers for Zidane.
I'm sure even CRUYFF, a Barcelona legend, disagrees. ZIDANE has never ever failed to perform against big teams but xavi, midget, was sh1t untill Pep Guardiola became the head coach of Barcelona.... Edit: @ New Anti-Pep: CM are not suppose to score?
If your aunt had balls, he would be your uncle.
He single-handedly led his country to a 2 WC and Euro finals. Finally, you rank him pretty high and there is probably not such a large gap between you and those who seem more pro-Zidane in this thread.
He was way more fluid at beating defenders than Xavi ever was.There is no doubt that Zidane is the best ball controller of all time. I tend to believe that Zidane would have been damn effective in Barca's possession game.
Zidane by a country mile.
And is better than some of them. He Could easily beat players. Do you all agree that we might never have great players like Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi? Ultimately, Zidane and Xavi both had this. Or more specifically: the disparity in resources and capabilities. Xavi's stamina is pretty good too.
Who would you rather have on your team a prime pele or a prime Lionel Messi? Volleys against big european giants is a pure example. Got it now, thanks. Zidane was the best in his days and Xavi is his best form in his days. On these bases alone I'd say Zidane, and perhaps go as far as to say it's a no contest. I don't know how Scholes got into this but here goes Zidane> Scholes> Xavi Xavi is a Great playmaker possibly the best. I mean, it seems to me as though you're slightly open to the idea that talent actually is more important and less vague than you typically disagree it is, only when one of your preferred players is getting the nod. This equals 0.21 assists per match, or 7.3 assists on a 34 games base (8.1 assists over 38 games).
I say this because for many people who casually watch football or don't have the 'football brain' this is a stupid comparison. Compare this with the names Xavi played with from the beginning of his carreer, even if he played in a deeper position. And naturally he would make less mistakes by doing this (assuming he was prone to make mistakes, which I don't think is true)... Now perhaps he tended to lose the ball more often than Xavi, but I think it had more to do with his "go-forward" and thus more risky approach than to do with an inherently inferior ball-retention ability.
An example would be that of Barcelona not only Messi has a higher proportion of through balls, but Xavi, Fabregas.
I think its clear who has more of an effect on his NT if we are comparing two players with one. ). His dynamism allows him to progress the ball throughout the entire attack (think Messi for example, not Xavi).
The same is true for Bergkamp at Inter by the way (and quite clearly at that). I don't understand why you immediately retort to insinuation and accusation mode. He was comfortable on the ball. I agree that the comparison is very unfair.
All of these passes are ones that a player intends to complete, as opposed to a clearance. Am I doing that with Zidane here? France was pretty average without Zidane.
if soccer is called football around the world what do they call regular football?
Overall Zidane was involved in around 70 goals in his 108 caps, either by scoring or setting them up, through assists or not (for example 4 direct goals involvements - ie 2 goals + 1 assist + 1 secondary assist- in WC98 in which he was said to be "not so good", and 4 again in 2006 - ie 3 goals + 1 assist) . I think that does it more so than enhancing the ability to control or a trap a ball, for example. Althought Zidane was not on top of his game, but he did create some great chances against Madrid in 1998 final. Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by lessthanjake, Jun 19, 2015. Thats right. Believe it or not but teams (esp.
And I think it's safe to say that their defensive effort is typically better than whatever Zidane did here (of course we can't be certain since the video doesn't show Zidane's defensive effort throughout the match, but Xavi/Iniesta are both vastly superior defensive players, so it's a safe bet). By the way, he had numerous injuries in those two seasons, which supports. Zidane, basically had every trick in the book, perhaps alot more.
The results presented here were able to capture the passing alternatives, i.e. As usual, South American players and Barcelona players get put down by you. Xavi is a great player, but their have been many like him. He 'invited' pressure, but that was deliberately, not because he couldn't do otherwise. So I would go with Zidane.
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He made a difference in Euro's and WC 2006. I cannot say which one is "better", because they both play in different positions and it would be unfair.
The question of who is better, then, comes down to who was more effective when they were both in their preferred system.
Overall, I think it's quite inconsistent (if not downright suspect) how a person who claims to think that passing ability is the most difficult thing to judge, insists so much on using "assists" as the most relevant metric, when. This also means that possession requires a collective, rather than individual, effort. Thus he might or might not have noticed that Henry was about to get into a great position. trust. Zidane won both the WC and Euro title and led by front scoring goals or assisting.
Join Yahoo Answers and get 100 points today. At Real Madrid his positioning was different as at Juventus, and he lost something of his athleticism. Comparing them is hard even with the statistics we can take. Xavi has had a very very very average header but Zidane could head the ball very well. As the other guy said, Zidane really showed Xavi whose boss in the 2006 World Cup, even though Zidane was in his final week as a player and Xavi was an established player with years left. I also think that he appeared to be more under pressure than Xavi because he knew he had the ability penetrate defenses by running into them. For the best answers, search on this site https://shorturl.im/axYf3.
Just pathetic. But the other two could (can) carry a team. Anyway, you said several times Zidane is a top-20 all-timer.
How many goals both of them were involved in ? The issue with this is that such figures not only depend on the player's ability to make passes, but also on the team's system and the quality of the goalscorers. He scored more long range goals than Xavi.
Anyway, I keep reading that Xavi was a better chance creator, made more assists etc. Furthermore, Zidane went from Italy to Spain, and looked like the same exact passer: a good one, but certainly he never looked imo like a passer who should be comparable to Platini, Maradona, Pirlo, Xavi, Messi, etc. And both players are good enough that a team with one of them in their prime is going to use a midfield system that suits that player's strengths. Where am I doing that?
Lastly, about the NT you have to look at the whole picture - ie not only assists and not only world cups.
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Why? I don't get all your "foot dexterity" argument to be honest.
How many assists Xavi delivered in his carreer ?
So is Xavi. And which would ultimately prove that talent is largely just a myth??
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